11 Replies Last post: Aug 13, 2008 1:52 PM by no1toolmkr  
Click to view aj's profile MFGxMaster 65 posts since
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Nov 21, 2007 2:41 AM

Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?

Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
Click to view joabarrera's profile Supervisor 8 posts since
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2. Oct 26, 2007 4:33 AM in response to: aj
RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
I believe open source gives a society options and thus we may face the dilemma of which option we want to have. I am fan of opportunities that have high leverage. Linux is the perfect example, with it you run computer and computers can do many things. What other type of opportunities are out there offer this kind of leverage?

The other day had a conversation which some folks in the renewable energy business. And the pointed out to me that if they wanted to build a wind farm, the big four produces of turbines in the market would charge accordingly to the projects estimated margins. They felt they where in a powerless situation when it came to sourcing equipment and it occurred to me that is another important component of open source, it gives user the power to choose. At the end you can do a lot of useful things if you had plenty of renewable energy so in some ways an open source turbine can have a lot of leverage.
Click to view no1toolmkr's profile Expert 78 posts since
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3. Oct 29, 2007 10:09 PM in response to: aj
RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
I think its a load of hooey.
Click to view no1toolmkr's profile Expert 78 posts since
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5. Nov 7, 2007 9:21 PM in response to: aj
RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
Open source software is one thing, and probably will continue to evolve. You want to open source a product that uses a product, Ok sounds great.
My shop is completely burried in extraordinarily complex and or large parts to be made.
I use three resources to accomplish this besides software, machinery, manpower and tooling
The machinery is the only part of the puzzle that could be open sourced because its pretty much irrelevant where it came from. be it a makino or bridgeport it simply doesn't matter who made the machine.
With that said lets focus on the manpower and tooling
If the drawings were open sourced for my customers parts that doesn't necesarily mean anyone can make the parts, for that matter most anything can be reverse engineered.
its talent and technique thats not open sourcable. and those two inanimate things will stop open sourcing of the manufacturing cold in its tracks.
of course there are a lot of bright people out there and if you give them the drawings they probably could whittle it out. manufacture the product succesfully and make a profit? that takes volume.
for example: I can make a pocket knife quite well. be it a folder, a lock blade it doesn't matter
I can make me a realy nice one, but at what cost. there is no way I can make them as good or as quick and profitable as a production knife. it will allways be better and cheaper to just buy one.
as you concider the open sourcing of product I would like you to think of this one thing that will forever in time lock it up.....
Someone had to chip them arrow heads and it wasn't everyone that could do it.
Click to view joabarrera's profile Supervisor 8 posts since
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6. Nov 19, 2007 8:03 AM in response to: aj
RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
ETR, I think you nailed it in the head. I come from a part of the world with of city of over 4 million and only one know five axis machine. They use it to copy shoes. Nice machine are hard to come by and I see the benefit of open sourcing certain tools.

Embedded know how will always remain key, secretive and hard to copy. Many development in technology have been lost of forgotten for such reason. Plenty of examples form medical treatments to cements, it formulation forgotten for 10 centuries.

And just as some thing won't be shared, others are not worth sharing. In fact I think printer are a bad example, having worked in the printer world, their success actually stems form high volume low cost production and incredible quality.
Click to view joabarrera's profile Supervisor 8 posts since
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7. Nov 19, 2007 8:03 AM in response to: aj
RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
ETR, I think you nailed it in the head. I come from a part of the world with of city of over 4 million and only one known five axis CNC machine. They use it to copy shoes. Nice machines are hard to come by and I see the benefit of open sourcing certain machine tools.

Embedded know how will always remain key, secretive and hard to copy. Many developments in technology have been lost or forgotten for such reasons. Plenty of examples form medical treatments to cements, its formulation forgotten for 10 centuries.

And just as some things won't be shared, others are not worth sharing. In fact I think printers are a bad example, having worked in the printer world, their success actually stems form high volume low cost production and incredible quality.
Click to view no1toolmkr's profile Expert 78 posts since
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8. Nov 20, 2007 5:30 AM in response to: aj
RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
I find myself at a loss here, I don't know what hardware would be best suited for the open sourcable platform, and I agree a printer is not a good example. it seems to me it would be easier to make the ink than a printer.
I like the possibility of having the designs of tool holders where as I buy the inserts. that seems like a good fit. most holders are respectively simple with few parts and I have the capability to make them, and it seems to fit the model AJ and Mitch are talking about. but then I think, I've made my own holders b4 that can hold an insert in a special way. I run into the pocket knife thing again. I can buy as good or better of one as I could make and have it faster.

Software is easily coppied onto a blank where hardware is not. maybe we can replicate it like on star trek one day but that day still isn't here yet untill then I suspect I'll still be chipping the arrow heads.

I use the arrow heads as an example for a good reason. civilization started when we learned to make tools and trade them for goods. If you give everone the capability to make their own tools no matter what it is. what happens to civilization?

incidentally I also thought of another question, can a nanite even make a sharp cutting edge?
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9. Nov 20, 2007 8:04 PM in response to: aj
RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
Barrera
I would like to colaborate with you on a project I've been working on is there a chance we could talk on the phone?
Click to view joabarrera's profile Supervisor 8 posts since
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10. Nov 21, 2007 2:41 AM in response to: aj
RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?
Eric, sure do you skype? joabarrera is my user name if not 617 2756050 will also work.

Jorge
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11. Aug 13, 2008 1:52 PM in response to: aj
Re: RE: Open Source 'Everything' - What Do You Think?

I'm not only warming up to this I'm embracing it.

I love the idea anymore. I look around in my tool room and find so much money I've got wrapped up in tooling that I could have easily made myself. and most of it I would be completely free to sell at my leisure because the designs has been around far beyond any patent rights. I'm staring to market my own tooling now and yes I'm going to offer the designs for open sourcing...

starting with simple collet holdes and tapping heads then more sofisticated stuff later. but definately taking a new turn in my business and not so much a job shop as a tool shop now.