9 Replies Last post: Jun 2, 2008 4:57 PM by DarrenV  
Click to view mitch's profile Supervisor 9 posts since
Feb 21, 2007

Apr 11, 2007 5:09 AM

Open Source Hardware?

Open Source Hardware?
Click to view aj's profile MFGxMaster 65 posts since
Mar 8, 2007
2. Apr 3, 2007 11:29 PM in response to: mitch
RE: Product Manufacturers Should Consider the Open Sou
It'll be really interesting to see how the major CAD/CAM companies choose to deal with this shift, too. The early promise of the ASP vision is starting to play out (as evidenced by the examples you’ve given), but it’ll be difficult for many established software suppliers to change their cultures to capitalize.
Click to view no1toolmkr's profile Expert 78 posts since
Mar 9, 2007
sounds like what microsoft did with IE in 1995
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Click to view aj's profile MFGxMaster 65 posts since
Mar 8, 2007
Exactly the same principle. Funny how MS is the last entity you'd imagine embracing OS - they'd take a bath in their current culture without software/server licenses.
Click to view kevin's profile Newbie 5 posts since
Apr 11, 2007
5. Apr 11, 2007 2:34 AM in response to: mitch
RE: Open Source Hardware?
Apparently, an open source automobile is already complete in the Netherlands.

See this link: http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/cmmn_the_worlds_first_opensource_car__5847.asp

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Kev
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6. Apr 11, 2007 3:01 AM in response to: mitch
RE: Open Source Hardware?
The bit about open source inkjet printing is farther along than
you think. Silverbrook Research in Sydney Australia has just
announced the impending availability of a printhead that any
one can buy and use as the basis of their inkjet solution.
They haven't made it open-source, but that's probably just
as well because you'd need a billion dollar silicon foundry to
make those parts anyway.
Click to view kevin's profile Newbie 5 posts since
Apr 11, 2007
7. Apr 11, 2007 3:29 AM in response to: mitch
RE: Open Source Hardware?
One other note is IE is not open source it is free. Firefox is open source.

The big difference is that Microsoft is still fully in control of the software. As with IE 7, they made it incompatible with Windows 2000. They give technical reasons for doing so but the real reason is to put pressure on people (mostly businesses) to upgrade their Windows. If there really were technical or security issues, Firefox wouldn't run on W2K either or would warn the users.

Open source removes the power to "sway". Free does not.

Kev
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8. Apr 11, 2007 5:09 AM in response to: mitch
RE: Open Source Hardware?
I think that this goes back to the old Kodak camera / film model. Kodak never made money on their insta-matic cameras, they profited off of the film cartridge sales. Anyone was free to design and develop their own camera- Kodak didn't care as long as people were buying their cartridges. Unfortunately for Kodak, patents and trade secrets didn't provide enough protection for their cartridge design rights. Companies like Fuji were able to dig into the film sales and Kodak had to continually change formats (no small task) to stay ahead.

Comparing Hardware to software is an apples to oranges thing. Software is the product - it functions as is. Hardware design is only the starting point - some investment is required in order to use it. Basically, any time someone holds your product in their hands, they have the design- and there are always ways to get around patents.

In the case of printers, there is a lot more science and specialized process involved than the engineering models and prints will reveal. Your chances of making your own are pretty slim. Like Kodak and Fuji, the laser and inkjet printer industry has taken some legal hits from the refurbished cartridge industry. Lexmark has lost the rights for their IC chip designs which means that like Kodak, anyone can cut into their real moneymaker. Without the protection of those chips, anyone can make a cartridge. Eventually, companies like Lexmark may have to change their format or get out of the cartridge business.

The bottom line is that at some point you need to have something that's rights-protected in order to make money. Otherwise, there is no motivation to supply free hardware or software other than your ideology. And ideology don't pay the rent.
Click to view DarrenV's profile Newbie 3 posts since
Jun 2, 2008

My take on extending open source past software:

The main difference between open source software and open source everything else, is that a software developer has an immediate need for a solution and the software doesn't provide it. Said software developer creates the feature in need, and now he has it. Imediate return on their investment of time/talent. If I were to invest my time in one of the open source projects, that are not software related, I need to purchase whatever thing I contributed to in order to benefit directly from my contribution. The part that I feel is hindering this movement to open source tangibles is that I have to pay someone to manufacture said item. This in essence is someone profiting off of my free labor.

In order to foster this shift to open source tangibles is to decentralize manufacturing. This will provide economic incentive for individuals to contribute time/talent in a way that parallels open source software. All things being equal I would purchase whatever device I helped develop from the cheapest source possible. What this then creates is an economic system where profit is not the prime motivator. If you were to sell my design back to me and net 1 million dollars a year from my/others design then I am most certain that someone else would be happy to do it for half that amount. The amount of profit you would be able to take from my efforts would be dictated by the cost of entry for manufacturing the item I helped develop. In reality this would still allow for a very comfortable living if you were to develop an open source project and it had any amount of cost of entry.